What is the proper connection between nudism and swinging? We have always met people that to swing with at either nude beaches or clubs. (yes we are discrete as there are children around) Lately I've been hearing about swinging clubs and stuff. Never heard of them. Is there a cover charge or a special way to become a member? Is it just better to leave well enough alone? We are happy meeting people there, but there has been so much neg. press about it we just weren't sure if it we want to be a contributing factor to fuel the fire. I'd hate to ruin the clubs. We love them. I hate tan lines:}

Originally posted by nudeygirl:
What is the proper connection between nudism and swinging?


The answer is none.

Although some nudists do engage in swinging (we're two of them), organized social nudity and swinging are separate entities, and all nudist camps I know of, with the exception of one, take great pains to disassociate their establishments from the lifestyle. In fact, the camp we've gone to for many years is especially tenacious in distancing themselves from anything related to swinging.

We've had older nudists tell us that back in the 50's, behaviour in nudist camps were so regimented that some even banned married couples from holding hands in public!!

Dan

No connection whatsoever between the two. There are many nudists who swing and there are many swingers who are also nudists.. but one doesn't equal the other.. and many swingers are uncomfortable with the idea of nudism (actually being naked in public).. and as mentioned most nudist resorts/camps/beaches etc don't look at all kindly on swinging.

Most nudist camps will basically say what you do in your own camper is your business but keep it out of the public eye. I know of 2 here in MI that knowingly promote themselves amongst the swinging community (one is listed in our club listings) and one that is considered as much a swinger campground as it is a nudist resort (they actually hold swinging functions there).

You will find swingers and nudist places.. but don't ever assume that because they are nudists they are swingers or vice versa.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

Thanks for the info. We are in Fla. and have found that the people in the places we go are open to swinging, however, its possible that it is just the places we are going, based on what you are saying. Could be because it is hotter in Fla. and the natives are restless.

Nudeygirl --

Certain camps have earned reputations as either very conservative or very liberal. We've never been to Florida, but based on what my wife and I have heard from those who have, Cypress Cove leans more towards the conservative side, while Paradise Lakes... wow, if half the things we've heard are true... http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dan

Personally, I know many people who go to Haulover on a regular basis and are not swingers.

Lysander --

Well, that's good, but it only takes a few to paint the rest with the same brush. Kinda like four white cops in LA...

Dan

We go to Haulover a lot. (well, not now, there's a sewer leak) But usually.

We just go to hang out and tan nude. Never thought of meeting other swingers there. Although many of the swingers we know go there, too.

John Lloyd Park, too, is definitely a bit of a cruising area.

I would have to say, YES, the natives get VERY restless. Maybe it's the heat, or the tropical breezes, or just the vast quantities of rum available! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

Remember the old tourist slogan:

"Florida. The rules are different here."

SO TRUE!!!!

Layla

LaylaSusanne, Ever been to the Riverboat in Tampa? I hear that it is a "anything goes" kinda place. Thy have full body massages and even tatooing on site. (so I hear)

No, I've never been to Tampa, except doing Medical Flights, but we didn't get to leave the airport http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/frown.gif

I may have to plan a trip soon, though! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Great Topic! We've talked a lot about just this. Jan thinks that I'm a bit of a hypocrite for enjoying Apollo beach at the Canaveral National Seashore. We go, I look, and in fairness..., I strip. I always think of nudists as the hypocrites though in a way. I just can't think of a good excuse for nudism other than enjoying seeing naked bodies. Ok nudists..., I'm waiting for my lectures. LOL
As far as resorts? We'd go if we could find one that was neither a true "Swingers" or "Nudist" place that had RV sites. Paradise Lakes definitely comes closest but they still maintain the "Family" concept. We're just not comfortable with kids around.
It would be nice to have a place to go and possibly meet that, illusive, perfect person or couple. The closest we've found is Key West during Fantasy Fest. Very open-minded mix of nudity and naughdity! BTW, it's the last two weeks of October every year!

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Originally posted by Mike and Jan:
Ok nudists..., I'm waiting for my lectures.


Ask, and ye shall receive.

Nudism and swinging are indeed two separate entities. We know, we're engaging in both. Nudism is about body acceptance, by others and yourself. Social barriers are broken down for the most part, the aggressive businessman can't hide behind his three piece suit, the fashion conscious career woman doesn't have to worry about dressing to hide those unwanted pounds. Everyone blends in together, and it relieves so much of the pressure we all put on ourselves concerning body image.

Probably the reason you're uncomfortable with the idea of kids around in a nudist setting is you can't deliniate in your mind the difference between nudism and sexuality. Our own two children spent many summer weekends in nudist camps, from the age of around 7 until they were in their late teens. Both continued to willingly engage in social nudism as their bodies underwent the physical changes that are part and parcel with adolescence and my wife and I are both proud of the healthy and accepting image they have of themselves today. They grew up in a household where casual nudity was common, but were NEVER subjected to anything sexual. Our bedroom door was always closed, and they've never seen me with an erection. We're very adament about adult/parental sexuality being hidden from children. They're now in their early 20's, and both in committed relationships. And to our knowledge, neither have "slept around". One study we read of several years ago, around the time we began frequenting nudist camps with our children, showed kids who grew up in that environment ended up having babies out of wedlock in their teens at a rate about half the national average. Clearly there's a reason for this.

All I can suggest, Mike and Jan, is try it for yourselves, then make an informed judgement. As far as overt sexuality, I've personally never seen it, and haven't seen a single instance of an erection in a nudist camp, except for one or two cases of guys jumping out of their tents or trailers a bit too quickly in the morning. You may THINK all those nude bodies are sexually stimulating, but trust me, it ain't so.

Dan

I found this to be very informative, I do have a question if that is o.k.
Your kids never saw you aroused, which is great, but how about anyone else? (not being sarcastic) Are they also as discrete? How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

Originally posted by lycioos:
I found this to be very informative, I do have a question if that is o.k.
Your kids never saw you aroused, which is great, but how about anyone else? (not being sarcastic) Are they also as discrete? How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

A "piece" of what? http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/confused.gif

As for discretion around our children, and as far as "I" know, they've never seen us "doing the deed". Everyone had their own rooms, and the whole family knows, that you knock before entering anyones room. We all had our own "rules", and we all respected each others personal rules. They don't appreciate the adults breaking their rules, and visa-versa. So they understand and respect everyones request & rules... http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

And if the door is locked, then they'll just wait for another time to "bug" us. *lol* But we've never had a problem with keeping any "sexual activities" "in the bedroom" from our children.

They've crawled in bed with us in the middle of the night (awaken from a nightmare, or something of that sort) while we were sleeping naked, and that never bothered them, or questioned us about it. It was something natural for them, I guess. Maybe because I breast fed my children, that it seemed natural to see us naked, and they've showered with us till they started noticing "certain details" about us (adults) that they didn't have... http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/eek.gif *lol*


CyberWife

[This message has been edited by CyberMWCouple (edited 08-20-2001).]

I think Lycious was referring to the nudist side of this question.. to those who are active nudists and who's children see that side of their lives. I think the "piece" he was referring to was that of guys (or girls) who attend nudist resorts just looking for sex. However, i think that most people who attend a nudist resort looking for that will soon realize they are out of luck. And most nudist resorts that promote/condone swinging at the camp either don't allow kids OR it's known enough that that is more of an adult resort that people don't take their kids there for the most part.
As far as people attending a regular nudist resort looking for sex.. I think most anyone who did would only do it once as they would find out rather quickly that a nudist resort is not what they had hoped it would be.

I could have been wrong on what Lycious was asking about.. if so please correct me.

this was just my 2cents (as compared to my usual 4cents).

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

Once again Julie, you are right on the money. That's exactly what I meant. I was surprised Cyber had never heard that slang term before. I was refering to the seekers and the peepers that nudists resorts can bring out. I suppose you are right though, once they realize they aren't getting anywhere hopefully they'll go elsewhere. I was just curious about that. Also, another one of my brainy dumb questions.... How do they handle the whole camera thing? While picture taking makes lasting family memories, how do you know someone else isn't making memories on the internet with out your knowledge? hmmmmmmmmmmm...... Maybe I'm thinking too deep on this one????? :}

By the way cyber, my kids have hopped into be with us before in the middle of the night when we were naked too. It's funny cause the little one always asks "hey, wheres your panties??" http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif
It's just the way he says it I guess....
One of those things where you had to be there. It's not so funny in writing. http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif

OOOooohhh....Okay. Duh, me. *LOL*

Yes, I've heard of the term "piece", and that's why I was confused, wondering what the heck are they (lycioos) referring to, the KIDS looking for a "piece"?! *LMBO* Hey, nowadays, we never know, ya know...*lol*

How's about, when the kids ask us things like, "Daddy, why is your "peepee" BIGGER than mine? And why do you have hair down there? Mommy, what's THAT for?!" And points and pushes on your boobs... http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/eek.gif *LOL*

I'm more conservative then my sister AND daughter, when it comes to nudity! They'd walk around the house naked, if we LET them! And did too, till we have them cover up, since we did have brothers and my son in the household too! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/eek.gif But in our own home, I prefer to walk around the house naked too. And if we didn't have neighbors all around us, I'd do it outside too! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

It was okay for us to swim naked when we were younger, camping with all our families too. The adults were the ones that swam naked most of the time, and some of the kids would too, but I was more of a night time skinny dipper. http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/tongue.gif

After awhile, it was a natural thing and we excepted it. No biggie. http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/wink.gif


CyberWife

[This message has been edited by CyberMWCouple (edited 08-20-2001).]

Originally posted by lycioos:
Also, another one of my brainy dumb questions.... How do they handle the whole camera thing? While picture taking makes lasting family memories, how do you know someone else isn't making memories on the internet with out your knowledge? hmmmmmmmmmmm...... Maybe I'm thinking too deep on this one????? :}

From my experience at with nudist resorts, the usual rule is you can take pics only with consent of those in the pics. If you are caught taking pics of someone who hasn't ok'ed it, you'll be tossed out on your butt, and not allowed back into the resort.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com

Originally posted by lycioos:
I found this to be very informative, I do have a question if that is o.k.
Your kids never saw you aroused, which is great, but how about anyone else? (not being sarcastic) Are they also as discrete? How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

I must admit I had a difficult time discerning what exactly you were asking. I think you're referring to anyone else wandering around inside a nudist resort in a turgid state?

If so, it's never happened, at least in our presence. You see, if you've never been inside a resort, it might be difficult for you to believe that it just isn't sexually stimulating. I know, I can just picture you rolling your eyes at this, but I'm as visually stimulated as any guy, and I've seen some VERY attractive women in the altogether, and I've just never gotten an erection because of it. And aside from a couple of instances where a man might step outside a bit too quickly in the morning on his way to the bathroom, I've never seen one on any other guy. And I can promise you, if it were to happen and made a habit of, the guy would be spoken to in no uncertain terms. Except for resorts which specialize in "lifestyle" activities aside from the nudity, nudist camps go to great lengths to distance themselves from anything associated with swinging. I personally know of several incidents where visitors were tossed out for putting out certain "vibes", or trolling if you will. One was an exceptionally attractive redhead who insisted on walking around wearing high heals while completely nude. Another couple two years ago visited for one Saturday, and made it clear by their innuendos what they were after. That visit was their one and only, they were put on the banned list after their actions were made known to the owners.

These camps do everything in their power to attract and retain families with children. It's the family atmosphere that's especially revered and protected.

Dan

Originally posted by JustAskJulie:
From my experience at with nudist resorts, the usual rule is you can take pics only with consent of those in the pics. If you are caught taking pics of someone who hasn't ok'ed it, you'll be tossed out on your butt, and not allowed back into the resort.

Julie http://www.swingersboard.com



You're exactly right. Special permission must be obtained before any pictures are taken outide your trailer or tent, even pictures of your own family. A sure ticket out the gate.

Dan

*Chiming in late*
How do you keep out, or protect your kids from seeing those who are "just looking for a piece?" I think I worded that right????

In common street parlance, 'a peice of ass'. SEX!

CyberHusband

Yes Canadiancounple, that was what I was asking, I think I just wasn't sure how to ask it. So, Nudist Camps (as a rule) are NOT a place to go to meet new swinging partners. I guess I had a hard time seeing how they could keep it family oriented with all of those naked bodies roaming around!! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/smile.gif Thanks for taking the time to clear that one up!!!

Because of my cultural background, I was having trouble understanding why the BIG deal with nudity and nudist camps and such. Where way back when, men & women wore "wrap arounds", and only sometimes, and it wasn't necessary either. And the women didn't wear bras, since modern clothing weren't introduced till later on by the "white man". So it was no big deal.

And because of the way we were raised, it was OK to swim nude (which was optional), and if the adults were doing it, so why not us (the children)?! http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Society can't accept this, and so we have to sneak around to secluded beaches and such to enjoy our nudity with nature. http://www.swingersboard.com/ubb/frown.gif

Just my 2 cents added...*lol*


CyberWife

[This message has been edited by CyberMWCouple (edited 08-21-2001).]

Originally posted by lycioos:
So, Nudist Camps (as a rule) are NOT a place to go to meet new swinging partners.


That's correct, but it's difficult for me to give a resounding "yes" to your conclusion. YOu see, swapping or any other type of overt sexuality is definitely off limits, but let me assure you, it DOES go on. At the camp we're with in New Hampshire, owned and operated by a very religious couple, we were surprised to learn from a long time couple there of a practise years ago that involved drawing keys out of a hat.

I think you can fill in the blanks.

Dan

CyberWife --

For some reason, the west has always been reluctant to accept casual co-ed nudity, especially if it involves children. Throw some sexual innuendo into the mix, and it's apparently okay.

It's difficult to describe the wonderful feeling you get being nude outdoors, surrounded by other men and women who feel the same way. I remember one woman telling me she takes great care to hide her lower abdomen paunch (that most women have) while dressing for work and even casual, yet she couldn't care less when in a nudist environment. So much pressure is alleviated when everyone can see everyone else's physical imperfections, and no one cares.

Dan

We are fairly new to the lifestyle but I think we can you some direction with this.

First let me say that many (if not most) nudists are NOT into the lifestyle. However, many nudists are.

If you have never been to a nudist resort you will likely find it a great experience. It is just a fun thing to do as a couple.

Regarding nudist resorts.
Some cater to "family" nudism and have lots of kids around. (this personnally makes us uncomfortable).
Some tend to draw an "older" crowd.
Some are truly "resorts" and tend to cost more than the "local" nudist camp. They also tend to draw a younger crowd.
And finally to everyone else reading this, yes I know that "nudist camp" is not the PC term so please, don't get out of sorts and correct me. My wife and I are AANR members in good standing. I am only trying to help this couple.

Having said all of this,
A quality nudist resort (Paradise Lakes is our favorite) will allow you to see and meet and visit with other couples by the pool and hot tub in a very social environment. Many you meet will be in the lifestyle and you can decide if they are a couple you would like to be with. Many you meet will NOT be swingers so remember that being nude with them in the hot tub is not an invitation to sex. Just talk and visit and maybe flirt slightly. If they are interested, they topic will come up very naturally. If they are not in the lifestyle or simply not interested in you, they will just be a couple you spoke with in the pool while on vacation and nothing more. Nothing overt and nothing public!!